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And they're like, I just saw this, I heard this. I, you know, but that aside, do you think that's the answer?	speaker	en-us
And they do the video situation. And now we also have to evolve and add video to how we do podcasting because times have changed and there's nothing wrong with that.	speaker	en-us
It's a good idea when it looks lucrative, when it looks like when it looks shiny, like how do you how do you know to say mm-mm?	speaker	en-us
The bond. You give her an allowance. She doesn't have to work. That's not treating her well if you just honor her and disrespect her when she's not around you.	speaker	en-us
Um, all of this could have been avoided uh with the right policies, the right mindsets.	speaker	en-us
Or if you're a student, you would tell your tutor that this is the goal. I'm trying to get an A here, or I'm trying to get this here.	speaker	en-us
Essentially, what you and your team did, how far would you say it moved us forward in terms of medicine and what we're able to do in terms of, you know, healing disease? Like, how many years do you think we leaped by having?	speaker	en-us
Have I opened myself up to them? Have I given them the room to open up themselves, to open themselves up to me? Is there grace in my relationships? If there isn't, and if there's this awkwardness, how can I?	speaker	en-us
The very interesting thing is that if you poll South Africans,	speaker	en-us
Um so so last year the growth was not point six percent.	speaker	en-us
And not everybody has to know everything, but you do need people that you can lean on. And you also need people that you can	speaker	en-us
which I think is a NGO non-profit media house that kind of shares breaking news with the public.	speaker	en-us
So when it comes to joy, have you given yourself the permission to be happy or do you feel like you have to be stuck in a cycle of	speaker	en-us
And I mean, as the leader of the national team, you get to form part of those values, whether they're written down or not.	speaker	en-us
I think you've continued, and as you've spoken, you did so many things and you do so many things, and you've continued to reinvent yourself, right?	speaker	en-us
You know, is Trump the factor here? He's being inaugurated next week as the next US president, Mr. Donald Trump. Is he a factor? You know, what does this mean? How are things going to unfold? Benji, how are you saying? Are you good?	speaker	en-us
So my dad would buy us Barbie dolls. I would literally like rip off the head and the arms and do funny things to it.	speaker	en-us
and then we're gonna lean into the gifts of the of the spirit but before the gifts we need the fruit and then we need the process and	speaker	en-us
I think what I enjoyed the most about the conversation is that when I think when I first expected this crunch guy who's got this fixed routine and I think I got to understand that not everyone who gets to the top needs that personality,	speaker	en-us
There is a people pleasing thing that is almost instilled in women where	speaker	en-us
And they don't listen. They don't listen. So they'd rather us sever the friendship than them not have a side check when they're married. Or do you get what I'm saying?	speaker	en-us
And that I want to get to a situation where I can, you know, as soon as I pressure you, as soon as I impose whatever I want to impose, it could be in the form of sanctions.	speaker	en-us
for something that's very hard to prove because it's very hard to prove rape and it's very hard to prove assault, sexual assault.	speaker	en-us
The marketers are not the advertisers. And advertisers are still very smart people because they have to understand so much to be able to do what they do.	speaker	en-us
Right. But I'm going to say I probably could if you were a dancer or something that's easy to do, like a dancer, cook. Those things are easy because the content is already viral. The runway's been created. And that's what people don't understand. So if you are.	speaker	en-us
And it was started by a guy called, well, before I even talk about who started it, it's actually been coined the miracle product because at the time that it was invented, it used innovations that had never been seen in the market before.	speaker	en-us
So you, in this moment, you're giving this advice to your friends.	speaker	en-us
How did you reconcile just from that moment? Especially because like now you're like the top of the top.	speaker	en-us
You need to grow. Like I can't be the voice of marketing all day and just showing you guys the stuff online. It's not going to work. That's why I do other things.	speaker	en-us
And all skills can exist and be expressed in different ways.	speaker	en-us
If it was okay, it wouldn't be part of company policy that you can't speak to people or even ask them questions like that. Do you understand what I'm saying?	speaker	en-us
But also, I think your character will decide what you decide to invest in, right?	speaker	en-us
Thank you so much, John. It's wonderful to talk to you, sir. A very insightful conversation. Yeah, so keep doing the work we are doing. Keep making a positive impact in South Africa. Thank you so much, sir.	speaker	en-us
It's always very well planned that, okay, this is an intentional, sabbatical, intentional break. And I was like, you know what?	speaker	en-us
Well versed in terms of left versus right, they just need to recognize that you know what, these ideas these guys are giving us, they are not working.	speaker	en-us
Now, Barbie was founded by a businesswoman called Ruth. And I want to get her surname so I can get it right. Her name is Ruth Handler. And Ruth designed the doll in 1951, modeled around her daughter.	speaker	en-us
Um Nelson Mandela had been president of South Africa. Obviously 1994 he becomes president, right?	speaker	en-us
So let's move to quickly. We have four minutes left now. A quick one here. So let's talk about Trump's policy on Africa and how to see it. Early this day in January, Whitney Scheidman wrote on Brookings.	speaker	en-us
You know, how does expropriation go through in terms of being signed by the president?	speaker	en-us
when I read that line in your book, I was thinking to myself, I was like, man, you are now at the epicenter of helping Microsoft shape this at scale, you know?	speaker	en-us
But looking at this year and how fast my kids are growing and how much my life is changing and where my interests are going, I had to sit down and be honest that.	speaker	en-us
Listen, Barbie, right? And I keep saying to people, I've been a fan of Barbie my whole life.	speaker	en-us
Even for me as a marketer, some of my strategies, I revise them.	speaker	en-us
um from from that one speech and getting into the team i ended up speaking for my entire life so i got to i spoke every single year and then when i got to matric	speaker	en-us
Mm-mm-mm. How much of the one of the things I wrote in my column last Sunday was that I do believe that October seven was so huge to Israel that o we are also here most part of the October seven attacks as well.	speaker	en-us
How do you feel every time you hear your bio and your achievements be read out for you?	speaker	en-us
your upbringing. I think we did touch a little bit about your upbringing in our last conversation, but I do want you to just go in a little more.	speaker	en-us
Um and and and y y you you you say that you say that we should copy India. Tell me about that because you you and I we spoke recently even on on on on you know on a call.	speaker	en-us
People are eating, people are fed, people are educated. And so there's a lot to be said about the state of a country in relation to the state of the content that's going to get investment.	speaker	en-us
And that takes long. But when you're not sifting through mess, when you say anyone can date me, then it's easy to have a boyfriend every other day.	speaker	en-us
Please communicate with me in the comment section below. Be nice to each other.	speaker	en-us
you know, when it comes to sensitive matters like rape, you'll find that the rape stats tend to go higher or violence in communities tends to, you know, increase, but maybe people won't file charges as much as they did before because they know they won't be believed.	speaker	en-us
The whole of Seattle consumes two gigawatts. And Microsoft is creating how much?	speaker	en-us
She's like, Yeah, there's the branding. I'm like, Okay. Then I said, Let me check my emails to see if maybe you're giving us the right tickets or the wrong tickets, because I was really shocked by what the marquee looked like.	speaker	en-us
You know, because we know that that stuff is not going to trend. It's not going to give the brands what they're looking for.	speaker	en-us
And every season, I try to reinvent what I'm showing you because I'm really trying to get to the point where I can show you exactly what I want to show you and what I think is true to Labo Lion at her call.	speaker	en-us
Acknowledging of the rain that we get to enjoy the sunshine and embracing it and embracing it. I actually love.	speaker	en-us
You have to figure out what you're willing to let go of and change and move towards.	speaker	en-us
So I love arguing ideas. All my friends will tell you that's all I want to do. I just go like, let's say something and let's argue.	speaker	en-us
I won't mention their names because we've since gone our separate ways, but it was called Lessons with Lion. And the point of creating that podcast was to democratize access to information for entrepreneurs and people who want to build brands and be successful in their careers.	speaker	en-us
And I was reading about your life. And I was just thinking to myself, you know, there's one part of the book where you make your dedications and you dedicate the book to your grandchildren.	speaker	en-us
Sometimes we're excessive spenders because we never had, or we are stingy because we never had, or sometimes your relationship with money and success is attached to we once had and we never had and I want to make sure that I continue to be an overachiever.	speaker	en-us
When you thought of yourself in love or being loved,	speaker	en-us
Yes, and um yeah, I think that's I wouldn't um I can't disagree with that. I think it's um it's something that we need to get right, especially in a country that's where we really feel unsafe.	speaker	en-us
So today's podcast, it kind of feels I've got a little bit of nostalgia because a lot of people have been tagging me in old YouTube videos where I used to teach the Bible or rather share the Bible, share what it means to me, my own revelations.	speaker	en-us
you know, parties are the DA saying they won the battle, the NC say they won the battle,	speaker	en-us
Can't wait to see you next time. Don't forget to like, share, subscribe. Do all the things that you have to do in order to get people to watch and engage in our community and be part of our lion tribe.	speaker	en-us
Yeah, yeah, Chris. You know, Chris, this is a big situation, at least in my observation. It's the first time, Chris, that in our democracy that began in 1994, that we have had this breakdown with the US.	speaker	en-us
And I think that last part is so beautiful that if we're content, we can let go of our past and let go of our baggage is important specifically to the part of community and being vulnerable and being the conversation starter.	speaker	en-us
Yeah, reform. Okay, reform. Sorry. So reform Jewish family. You grow up in this world where, you know, like many Jewish people,	speaker	en-us
Tell me about that hypocrisy. Um, what does it do to our image on the global stage?	speaker	en-us
automatically happening that is the flowering and the fruiting and that is the phase of flourishing	speaker	en-us
where there's ubiquitous, you know, stuff that you can use and where it's, it's, people are looking for it.	speaker	en-us
Instead of people actually saying, we would love to be exposed to the different lifestyles that you can be afforded when you have money, which is different because people who have a bit of money will throw parties for their dogs.	speaker	en-us
You said purpose is a journey you wouldn't begin to understand if you didn't know who you are and who God is. That's beautiful. What's the what lesson has taken you the longest to learn?	speaker	en-us
A surrendered and an aligned heart is one that is prepared soil and that has space for growth.	speaker	en-us
And people said, that doesn't make any sense because no one's going to respect you. But people respected me anyway because I added value, right?	speaker	en-us
Oh, no, no, no. We live in a world where everyone is so angry. I try to do the opposite. So I will tell it. I'll be like, that is a great answer. Oh, I do that. You're really amazing.	speaker	en-us
But that's what like literally every single Jewish friend in my life has told me that they go, because I would grab, I'd be like, you're white. And they'd be like, listen, I don't think I'm white.	speaker	en-us
And you see people saying that now in many ways with AI. They go, I mean, AI, it'll just do everything. And I mean, we might only go to the office like one day a week and maybe work like three hours.	speaker	en-us
Ego is a part of hip-hop. That's what I mean. I feel like nobody in hip-hop comes to an award show thinking that they're not going to win the award.	speaker	en-us
is now facing the reality they are deciding to face the reality that they have to share power um in your view is this the is this the beginning where the nc will going forward say we have to share power	speaker	en-us
And they're a cellular, this is a company that makes a lot of money.	speaker	en-us
Or do you think you were trying to be like Alan Iverson who changes how the game is perceived?	speaker	en-us
No one in that room walked in and went, this is the room where it happens. Do you get what I'm saying?	speaker	en-us
It feels like a lot of the Democrats who go out there will spend a lot of time being like, black people, come on, you're good, you're black, and Latinos, Latinos. But they don't seem to go into the heart of what's happening.	speaker	en-us
Yeah. And with Father's Day coming up, I mean, we write cards and it's cute and everything. But how do you, how do you feel on Father's Day? Are you able to just be in the moment that, oh, I'm so grateful that I have my children?	speaker	en-us
And then you're in this era where actually now there's so much technology, there are other plastics that are just as good or even better.	speaker	en-us
And it's okay if that means I'm going to grow a little slower or have to go in different directions. That is fine for me.	speaker	en-us
Could there ever be laws written to sort of entrench those types of ideas?	speaker	en-us
I felt like I had the privilege of having access to so many rooms and so much experience that I knew that the average black talented young person didn't have access to.	speaker	en-us
And even if we're to equate it to being a stage, social media is a bigger stage than most physical stages.	speaker	en-us
The media says no one cares about politics anymore. No one wants to read it. But they're coming out to your rallies.	speaker	en-us
And you'll keep thinking that other people are getting things that they don't deserve when actually you're just not working hard enough on your personal brand.	speaker	en-us
You know, and that was people also saying, but then she's not really excellent. It's like, but I am because I've helped thousands of people improve their businesses.	speaker	en-us
So if you're not thinking about business modeling as you're creating your marketing strategy, you're just thinking about advertising and you're going to lose because that is not marketing. That is advertising.	speaker	en-us
That's a great question. And it's so multifaceted, right? Because there are many layers to this conversation about artists and creative owning the story about what they do.	speaker	en-us
My mom will sometimes tell me about a colleague or a friend or a student who's sharing about our podcast. And so I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to support us.	speaker	en-us
Yeah, fantastic. Jonathan, wonderful to talk to you, sir. Thanks for coming back on the sh on the show. We always do enjoy your insights on economics and policy and politics. Jonathan Katze Nellen Porken, and great honor to be here and to talk to you, my subscribers. Remember.	speaker	en-us
Rolene is the speaker and commentator on Israel and appears on radio, TV and print as well. She's based, she's an Israeli based in Israel. So wonderful to talk to you, Rolene. And I wish you safety	speaker	en-us

And they're like, I just saw this, I heard this. I, you know, but that aside, do you think that's the answer?

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And they do the video situation. And now we also have to evolve and add video to how we do podcasting because times have changed and there's nothing wrong with that.

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It's a good idea when it looks lucrative, when it looks like when it looks shiny, like how do you how do you know to say mm-mm?

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The bond. You give her an allowance. She doesn't have to work. That's not treating her well if you just honor her and disrespect her when she's not around you.

speaker

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Um, all of this could have been avoided uh with the right policies, the right mindsets.

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Or if you're a student, you would tell your tutor that this is the goal. I'm trying to get an A here, or I'm trying to get this here.

speaker

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Essentially, what you and your team did, how far would you say it moved us forward in terms of medicine and what we're able to do in terms of, you know, healing disease? Like, how many years do you think we leaped by having?

speaker

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Have I opened myself up to them? Have I given them the room to open up themselves, to open themselves up to me? Is there grace in my relationships? If there isn't, and if there's this awkwardness, how can I?

speaker

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The very interesting thing is that if you poll South Africans,

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Um so so last year the growth was not point six percent.

speaker

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And not everybody has to know everything, but you do need people that you can lean on. And you also need people that you can

speaker

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which I think is a NGO non-profit media house that kind of shares breaking news with the public.

speaker

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So when it comes to joy, have you given yourself the permission to be happy or do you feel like you have to be stuck in a cycle of

speaker

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And I mean, as the leader of the national team, you get to form part of those values, whether they're written down or not.

speaker

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I think you've continued, and as you've spoken, you did so many things and you do so many things, and you've continued to reinvent yourself, right?

speaker

en-us

You know, is Trump the factor here? He's being inaugurated next week as the next US president, Mr. Donald Trump. Is he a factor? You know, what does this mean? How are things going to unfold? Benji, how are you saying? Are you good?

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So my dad would buy us Barbie dolls. I would literally like rip off the head and the arms and do funny things to it.

speaker

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and then we're gonna lean into the gifts of the of the spirit but before the gifts we need the fruit and then we need the process and

speaker

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I think what I enjoyed the most about the conversation is that when I think when I first expected this crunch guy who's got this fixed routine and I think I got to understand that not everyone who gets to the top needs that personality,

speaker

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There is a people pleasing thing that is almost instilled in women where

speaker

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And they don't listen. They don't listen. So they'd rather us sever the friendship than them not have a side check when they're married. Or do you get what I'm saying?

speaker

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And that I want to get to a situation where I can, you know, as soon as I pressure you, as soon as I impose whatever I want to impose, it could be in the form of sanctions.

speaker

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for something that's very hard to prove because it's very hard to prove rape and it's very hard to prove assault, sexual assault.

speaker

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The marketers are not the advertisers. And advertisers are still very smart people because they have to understand so much to be able to do what they do.

speaker

en-us

Right. But I'm going to say I probably could if you were a dancer or something that's easy to do, like a dancer, cook. Those things are easy because the content is already viral. The runway's been created. And that's what people don't understand. So if you are.

speaker

en-us

And it was started by a guy called, well, before I even talk about who started it, it's actually been coined the miracle product because at the time that it was invented, it used innovations that had never been seen in the market before.

speaker

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So you, in this moment, you're giving this advice to your friends.

speaker

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How did you reconcile just from that moment? Especially because like now you're like the top of the top.

speaker

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You need to grow. Like I can't be the voice of marketing all day and just showing you guys the stuff online. It's not going to work. That's why I do other things.

speaker

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And all skills can exist and be expressed in different ways.

speaker

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If it was okay, it wouldn't be part of company policy that you can't speak to people or even ask them questions like that. Do you understand what I'm saying?

speaker

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But also, I think your character will decide what you decide to invest in, right?

speaker

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Thank you so much, John. It's wonderful to talk to you, sir. A very insightful conversation. Yeah, so keep doing the work we are doing. Keep making a positive impact in South Africa. Thank you so much, sir.

speaker

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It's always very well planned that, okay, this is an intentional, sabbatical, intentional break. And I was like, you know what?

speaker

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Well versed in terms of left versus right, they just need to recognize that you know what, these ideas these guys are giving us, they are not working.

speaker

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Now, Barbie was founded by a businesswoman called Ruth. And I want to get her surname so I can get it right. Her name is Ruth Handler. And Ruth designed the doll in 1951, modeled around her daughter.

speaker

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Um Nelson Mandela had been president of South Africa. Obviously 1994 he becomes president, right?

speaker

en-us

So let's move to quickly. We have four minutes left now. A quick one here. So let's talk about Trump's policy on Africa and how to see it. Early this day in January, Whitney Scheidman wrote on Brookings.

speaker

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You know, how does expropriation go through in terms of being signed by the president?

speaker

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when I read that line in your book, I was thinking to myself, I was like, man, you are now at the epicenter of helping Microsoft shape this at scale, you know?

speaker

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But looking at this year and how fast my kids are growing and how much my life is changing and where my interests are going, I had to sit down and be honest that.

speaker

en-us

Listen, Barbie, right? And I keep saying to people, I've been a fan of Barbie my whole life.

speaker

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Even for me as a marketer, some of my strategies, I revise them.

speaker

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um from from that one speech and getting into the team i ended up speaking for my entire life so i got to i spoke every single year and then when i got to matric

speaker

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Mm-mm-mm. How much of the one of the things I wrote in my column last Sunday was that I do believe that October seven was so huge to Israel that o we are also here most part of the October seven attacks as well.

speaker

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How do you feel every time you hear your bio and your achievements be read out for you?

speaker

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your upbringing. I think we did touch a little bit about your upbringing in our last conversation, but I do want you to just go in a little more.

speaker

en-us

Um and and and y y you you you say that you say that we should copy India. Tell me about that because you you and I we spoke recently even on on on on you know on a call.

speaker

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People are eating, people are fed, people are educated. And so there's a lot to be said about the state of a country in relation to the state of the content that's going to get investment.

speaker

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And that takes long. But when you're not sifting through mess, when you say anyone can date me, then it's easy to have a boyfriend every other day.

speaker

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Please communicate with me in the comment section below. Be nice to each other.

speaker

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you know, when it comes to sensitive matters like rape, you'll find that the rape stats tend to go higher or violence in communities tends to, you know, increase, but maybe people won't file charges as much as they did before because they know they won't be believed.

speaker

en-us

The whole of Seattle consumes two gigawatts. And Microsoft is creating how much?

speaker

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She's like, Yeah, there's the branding. I'm like, Okay. Then I said, Let me check my emails to see if maybe you're giving us the right tickets or the wrong tickets, because I was really shocked by what the marquee looked like.

speaker

en-us

You know, because we know that that stuff is not going to trend. It's not going to give the brands what they're looking for.

speaker

en-us

And every season, I try to reinvent what I'm showing you because I'm really trying to get to the point where I can show you exactly what I want to show you and what I think is true to Labo Lion at her call.

speaker

en-us

Acknowledging of the rain that we get to enjoy the sunshine and embracing it and embracing it. I actually love.

speaker

en-us

You have to figure out what you're willing to let go of and change and move towards.

speaker

en-us

So I love arguing ideas. All my friends will tell you that's all I want to do. I just go like, let's say something and let's argue.

speaker

en-us

I won't mention their names because we've since gone our separate ways, but it was called Lessons with Lion. And the point of creating that podcast was to democratize access to information for entrepreneurs and people who want to build brands and be successful in their careers.

speaker

en-us

And I was reading about your life. And I was just thinking to myself, you know, there's one part of the book where you make your dedications and you dedicate the book to your grandchildren.

speaker

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Sometimes we're excessive spenders because we never had, or we are stingy because we never had, or sometimes your relationship with money and success is attached to we once had and we never had and I want to make sure that I continue to be an overachiever.

speaker

en-us

When you thought of yourself in love or being loved,

speaker

en-us

Yes, and um yeah, I think that's I wouldn't um I can't disagree with that. I think it's um it's something that we need to get right, especially in a country that's where we really feel unsafe.

speaker

en-us

So today's podcast, it kind of feels I've got a little bit of nostalgia because a lot of people have been tagging me in old YouTube videos where I used to teach the Bible or rather share the Bible, share what it means to me, my own revelations.

speaker

en-us

you know, parties are the DA saying they won the battle, the NC say they won the battle,

speaker

en-us

Can't wait to see you next time. Don't forget to like, share, subscribe. Do all the things that you have to do in order to get people to watch and engage in our community and be part of our lion tribe.

speaker

en-us

Yeah, yeah, Chris. You know, Chris, this is a big situation, at least in my observation. It's the first time, Chris, that in our democracy that began in 1994, that we have had this breakdown with the US.

speaker

en-us

And I think that last part is so beautiful that if we're content, we can let go of our past and let go of our baggage is important specifically to the part of community and being vulnerable and being the conversation starter.

speaker

en-us

Yeah, reform. Okay, reform. Sorry. So reform Jewish family. You grow up in this world where, you know, like many Jewish people,

speaker

en-us

Tell me about that hypocrisy. Um, what does it do to our image on the global stage?

speaker

en-us

automatically happening that is the flowering and the fruiting and that is the phase of flourishing

speaker

en-us

where there's ubiquitous, you know, stuff that you can use and where it's, it's, people are looking for it.

speaker

en-us

Instead of people actually saying, we would love to be exposed to the different lifestyles that you can be afforded when you have money, which is different because people who have a bit of money will throw parties for their dogs.

speaker

en-us

You said purpose is a journey you wouldn't begin to understand if you didn't know who you are and who God is. That's beautiful. What's the what lesson has taken you the longest to learn?

speaker

en-us

A surrendered and an aligned heart is one that is prepared soil and that has space for growth.

speaker

en-us

And people said, that doesn't make any sense because no one's going to respect you. But people respected me anyway because I added value, right?

speaker

en-us

Oh, no, no, no. We live in a world where everyone is so angry. I try to do the opposite. So I will tell it. I'll be like, that is a great answer. Oh, I do that. You're really amazing.

speaker

en-us

But that's what like literally every single Jewish friend in my life has told me that they go, because I would grab, I'd be like, you're white. And they'd be like, listen, I don't think I'm white.

speaker

en-us

And you see people saying that now in many ways with AI. They go, I mean, AI, it'll just do everything. And I mean, we might only go to the office like one day a week and maybe work like three hours.

speaker

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Ego is a part of hip-hop. That's what I mean. I feel like nobody in hip-hop comes to an award show thinking that they're not going to win the award.

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is now facing the reality they are deciding to face the reality that they have to share power um in your view is this the is this the beginning where the nc will going forward say we have to share power

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And they're a cellular, this is a company that makes a lot of money.

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Or do you think you were trying to be like Alan Iverson who changes how the game is perceived?

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No one in that room walked in and went, this is the room where it happens. Do you get what I'm saying?

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It feels like a lot of the Democrats who go out there will spend a lot of time being like, black people, come on, you're good, you're black, and Latinos, Latinos. But they don't seem to go into the heart of what's happening.

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Yeah. And with Father's Day coming up, I mean, we write cards and it's cute and everything. But how do you, how do you feel on Father's Day? Are you able to just be in the moment that, oh, I'm so grateful that I have my children?

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And then you're in this era where actually now there's so much technology, there are other plastics that are just as good or even better.

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And it's okay if that means I'm going to grow a little slower or have to go in different directions. That is fine for me.

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Could there ever be laws written to sort of entrench those types of ideas?

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I felt like I had the privilege of having access to so many rooms and so much experience that I knew that the average black talented young person didn't have access to.

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And even if we're to equate it to being a stage, social media is a bigger stage than most physical stages.

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The media says no one cares about politics anymore. No one wants to read it. But they're coming out to your rallies.

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And you'll keep thinking that other people are getting things that they don't deserve when actually you're just not working hard enough on your personal brand.

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You know, and that was people also saying, but then she's not really excellent. It's like, but I am because I've helped thousands of people improve their businesses.

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So if you're not thinking about business modeling as you're creating your marketing strategy, you're just thinking about advertising and you're going to lose because that is not marketing. That is advertising.

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That's a great question. And it's so multifaceted, right? Because there are many layers to this conversation about artists and creative owning the story about what they do.

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My mom will sometimes tell me about a colleague or a friend or a student who's sharing about our podcast. And so I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to support us.

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Yeah, fantastic. Jonathan, wonderful to talk to you, sir. Thanks for coming back on the sh on the show. We always do enjoy your insights on economics and policy and politics. Jonathan Katze Nellen Porken, and great honor to be here and to talk to you, my subscribers. Remember.

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Rolene is the speaker and commentator on Israel and appears on radio, TV and print as well. She's based, she's an Israeli based in Israel. So wonderful to talk to you, Rolene. And I wish you safety

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